Support of ISO 15118

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WattFahrer

If possible, it would be very good to Auto-Start a charging session if the Vehicle connects to the Charging Station. A relation of Vehicle VIN to RFID would be needed.

12-02-2021 -

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Tom Eugelink

Let's keep this simple; I will purchase dual charge points come spring. This "plug and charge" is a breaking selling point for me. If not Easee, then another supplier who has implemented it. I do have preference based on aesthetics, but that is secondary to functionality. If Easee feels there is more to be gained with investing in other aspects, than that is that. They have a better view on demand then I have. But I've learned not to purchase products based on promises of future enhancements (looking at my Android smart watch).

Thomas Schwanhäuser

Hi Caroline! I'm a user of Easee and also disappointed that this key feature is still yet not there.

You acknowledge that ISO 15119 hasn't taken much priority to be honest and that you focused on other improvements.

Actually, I can't think about any other feature which would have a larger impact than this one. Looking at this forum, ISO 15118 currently has 170 votes. Maybe I overlook it, but can you point me to any other feature which has that many votes here in the forum?

Which do you think have a larger impact in the short run than this very key missing feature?

I acknowledge you plan features in the best interest, nevertheless I would appreciate if Easee now shifts gears and gives this feature the priority (highest?) it deserves based on the user feedback

Fab!an

> Maybe I overlook it, but can you point me to any other feature which has that many votes here in the forum?

Yes, the "Local simple API" (feedback.easee.com/b/ideas/local-simple-api/) we wait since 3 years...for users with a photovoltaic system this is absolute mandatory. I also want ISO 15118, buts is "only" a comfort feature.

Peter-Michael Feickert

Hello Fab!an, I agree with you completely.
So finally, the Easee developers now know what to do and where the shoe pinches us!

Caroline Vorpenes

Hi Thomas!

I completely see your point.
This is however not the only channel we get user feedback in - so we are also balancing against feedback we get in other places, as well as assessments in market trends, regulatory requirements, scalability, etc. ☺️

Everything we do, we do for our users - although I'm sorry if the things we have been focusing on lately haven't made much impact for you specifically. Hopefully there is improvements this year which you will enjoy the impact of ☺️

In order to balance the grid and shape the future of electricity there are many key things we think can do more right now than ISO 15118. One example is making it even easier to do load balancing against the main fuse in a build. Another is having chargers that are compliant with regulations in the UK. A third is making it easier to do billing for larger site owners. And that is just to name a few things we are focusing some of our efforts on now.

In order for ISO 15118 to work, both the car and the charge station need to support it - most of the car that support ISO 15118 for AC charging are only starting to come to the market in the past couple of year - but the majority of the EV pool in the world doesn't. Some car manufactures are also limiting "who" they are willing to talk to with the ISO 15118 standard - especially for plug and charge if this is the feature you are thinking might make the most impact.
If you have a car that support ISO 15118 I can understand how you might find this something that is really important to you.
And as I mentioned in the post - we are still testing it in the background - so we are still working on it and figuring out how we can implement this standard in a way the works with how we want to provide value to the world ❤️

Again, thank you for your engagement. And thank you for acknowledging that we plan our features in the best interest - because we really do. Hope you have a lovely weekend ❤️

Oli

Hi Caroline, I apologize the discussion in my Feature Request. As being a Product Owner myself, I‘m aware on „other priorities“ overruling sometime the local Backlog.
Maybe the outcome of the discussion is more about keeping in discussion/communication with your beloved active user base rather the way you prio Epics. Please take it as a chance to get good user feedback.
I‘d highly recommend to all readers/supporters to keep a nice wording and politeness. Thx.

Caroline Vorpenes

We are still here, and we are still listening. And we always appreciate your engagement, even if we aren't active here all the time. ❤️
It's actually because we have our heads down working hard on making new products and improving on the ones we have. 📈

If you are looking for continuous improvements we make, you can follow our changelog here where we post every time there is a new release on our app or chargers or equalizer (and more products to come): feedback.easee.com/f/changelog/

Lately ISO 15118 hasn't taken much priority to be honest.
We have been focusing instead on new products, and other improvements that we think will make a larger impact in the short-run.
Lately that has been making our chargers compliant with the UK Smart Charging Regulations that were implemented on the 1st of January - as one example - and other improvements on our other products. As with all innovation - it takes time, sometimes longer than we hope or expected. And sometimes priorities change due to new regulations, or sometimes problems that can make a larger impact on our way to our vision pop up that we decide to tackle first. This is what has happened in the case of ISO-15118. But we are still testing it in the background with selected partners.

As with regards to my role since that got pointed out - yes, I have changed roles, but don't worry we have filled the position for PM to replace me, and he is working hard with the rest of our innovation team on some new stuff that we will be releasing later this year. 🥳

But thank you again for your engagement and we hope you will be happy with all the updates and new products we will be launching throughout 2023.

Site owner

Hi Caroline, thanks for your work. To me as a site owner it feels a bit strange to put focus on new products when basic functionality for example statistics, scheduled charging and data for correct billing is missing. Not to mention different bugs that still exists.

I think the frustration expressed below stems from the fact that several have bought in to your system and in case of sites it is not possible to just change system over night.

Sure, one can dream of integrations with smart assistants, ISO 15118 support and other things, and I sure understand that this may be further down the road or scrapped.

But it would be nice with a bit more focus on the basic functionality.

Caroline Vorpenes

Hello Site Owner,

If you re-read you might notice that I said both new products and improvements. We continuously focus on both ☺️ If you look at the changelog you will see that there is loads of bug fixes and improvements we constantly make to our products - although I'm sorry if they haven't been exactly the ones you are looking for - hopefully they will be with you soon.

We also have to balance against tech debt and scalability (we are only 5 years old so there a bit of work to do on these things🫣), as well as regulatory requirements in different countries we sell in. There is a lot we want to do and we are constantly prioritising and trying to balance it all out. ❤️

I hope some of the things you are looking for will come your way this year - at least I know some of the things you mention is on our list of things we want to do! ☺️

Site owner

Understand all of this, however, without basic functionality developed and working, there is no point to comply with new regulatory requirements in new markets because the product is not in a finished state and should not be sold.

Right now it is not possible to charge customers based on different rates during day and night time, it is not even possible to get the data because of some reason the charging time is measured between connecting/disconnecting charge adapter and not the actual charging. It is such basic functionality that just has to be in place.

I like your product but can't at the moment in a honest manner fully recommend Easee to other similar sites, for example tomorrow when I'll be meeting a soon to be site owner.

Neil MacLeod

I had been planning a UK residential car park install with 80+ Easee chargepoints but due to the current economic situation it's on hold which is just as well, as it's given us more time to evaluate the level of support and to see how Easee improve the product through software enhancements.

Suffice to say, we will now be looking at alternatives to Easee.

Easee talk a good game, but unfortunately don't deliver on their promises or potential, and we can't invest such a significant amount of money based on promises and risk being left with a second-rate solution. It looks like Easee are now sitting back and milking their current solution, with no intention of providing any future enhancements in order to remain competitive.

Avoid.

Tom Eugelink

Agree. It seems Alfen is a good stable and continuously developing platform. A bit corporate focused, but they have a consumer version as well now.

Sebastian Fromme

Just doublechecking someone at Easee is still there, Caroline...?!

Fab!an

Forget it. if you check the other future requests here, they do nothing. for example the request for a local API. the request is open since a few years and for people with PV installations mandatory, had a lot of comments and thumbs up, but nothing happened. I don’t know what the product managers does…

Tom Eugelink

Yeah. I'm in the market to replace my charging station with two new ones. Easee was my #1 choice, given they would implement this. But right now there are some -it seems- more serious competitors.

Sebastian Fromme

Caroline has been promoted to Director with open PM role...

Thomas Schulzki

I've given up - there will be no development of the Easee products - they are content with the current state, and don't need more money.
I'm glad we chose another brand for the parking facility - mainly because of better load balancing.
I'll be changing my home chargers as soon as I find the right product, with good api, load balancing and the right price.

Sebastian Fromme

I do like their hardware, maybe there is another platform available we can just select, which does get little bit more attention of developers. Also their operations is absolutely fine, so I do really like Easee. Just getting no response to the Top requests over years is not ok I think.

Neil MacLeod

I'm really not sure what happened to Easee.

Maybe they grew too big too fast and don't have the resources or interest to take the product forward. Or they have simply become complacent - too busy waffling on about how virtuous they are as a company. Maybe a bit of both.

Either way, it's no longer a company I'm interested in investing serious amounts of money in for an infrastructure project that must have an expected 10+ year lifetime. If we had gone ahead with Easee Chargepoints (80 of them) we'd probably be ripping them all out in a few years as they become increasingly second-rate and fall further behind the market leaders.

It's a huge shame as the Easee hardware is nice (though not the best - still no PEN Fault protection in the commercial product), and initially it ticked pretty much all the boxes. However the longer I observe the company here on this site, the more I realise that the software and community support is totally missing.

This does not bode well for the future of Easee or it's existing customers, so I'm out before I get burned.

Gunter Eipper

My Enyaq gets ME3.1 within Q1/2023 ... so it would be nice to use plug'n charge instead of the RFID tag

Per Mikkelsen

My Enyaq supports V2G (software version 3.1)

Mikael Johansson

Come on now, I thought Easee were ahead of the curve? :)

Daniel Nilsson

This is Vechile to Grid and Plug n Charge, correct?

I will get V2G for my Skoda Enyaq next week.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_15118

Peter-Michael Feickert

Dear developers of the fantastic Easee Firmware, can you already say when the solution will be ready for use?

Thomas

hoping this will be added soon as more and more cars start to support plug'n'charge

Sebastian Fromme

When will follow a build phase after 1-2 years of planning already?

Martin Juhlin

When are you planning for ISO 15118 to be implemented? This is the new "big thing" for home chargers. Don't miss the boat...

Juice

Is Easee Charge prepared for ISO 15118 hardware wise already? Planning to buy 44 chargers and want to be assured that they are future proof.

Caroline Vorpenes

Status changed to: Planned

Marcus Ohlin

Identify the cars connected, if possible, by VIN or other interface-specific ID, then present the IDs in a list in the app, making it possible to check a checkbox or equivalent, for easy management of which vehicles to allow for loading. Thus, stopping any unasked for freeloaders to misuse my personal box. Of course, add possibility of nicknames of cars, in first release.

Caroline Vorpenes

Merged with: Lock a box to specific cars

Søren Jensen

Instead needing the RFID tag on a locked charger would it then be possible for the box to recognize the car and unlock automatic?
RFID tag should only be used for unknown cars.

Caroline Vorpenes

Merged with: Recognize car when cable is plugged in

Andreas Bru Staurland

VW plans to release V2G for ID-series car Q1/Q2of2022, how is your progress?

Wijnand van der Tempel

Would be great to get an update on this, because it’s the next big thing. And would be a pity if Easee misses the boat

Caroline Vorpenes

Merged with: V2G is coming

Caroline Vorpenes

Merged with: Plug and charge support - ISO 15118

ABjonness

Plug and charge support for supported cars with ISO 15118.
More and more cars are getting ISO 15118 support, so the ability to use this to authorize charging istead of RFID would be a great feature to have.

From wikipedia:
"Cars that support the Plug & Charge standard include the 2018 Opel Ampera-e, the model year 2021 Porsche Taycan, Lucid Air, Ford Mustang Mach-E and the Rivian R1T.
Other electric vehicles will be updated to support the standard, including the Volkswagen ID.4".

Gerardo

It would be nice if the charger would recognise the car or the list of cars allowed, then they could have them own charging schedules and speed of charges as many other setting just by plugging the car

Daniel Neang

Authentication based on the EV Mac address instead of RFID cards. Should be possible on all cars that support CCS-DC charging. github.com/openfastchargingalliance/openfastchargingalliance/blob/master/autocharge-final.pdf

Dirk Platt

I would love to just register a list of valid FIN numbers as an Authentication alternative. That way I could just allow cars to be charged at my Easee home wallbox without the need of RFID tags …

Oli

To Identify the Vehicle the Communication Protokoll used for CCS Charging Station needs to be implemented. SoC and VIN are available enabling additional Use Cases.

Fab!an

Maybe add „Plug & Charge“ to the title to get more votes?

alex

Would be great if 15118-2 and later 15118-20 would be supported. This would make Smart Charging easier with respect to the vehicle side.

alex

Would be great if 15118-2 and later 15118-20 would be supported. This would make Smart Charging easier with respect to the vehicle side.

STR

Which by the way would make it much more easier and comfortable to track how much energy was consumed by which car. Currently this is linked to RFID chip only, but of course usually from interest is the consumer and not the one who started the charging process. I like this idea.

Tore Refsnes

Also - make it possible to register the vehicle in the charging station, so that it will not charge any vehicles not registered.

Fredrik B

+1 on this request. Very good idea!

Jesper Davidsen

And a consumption report for each car.

Lars Erik Eriksen

Yes. My Audi is recognized by the app and should start charging without RFID and other stuff. Make it simple stupid.

Lars Erik Eriksen

Two years ago when I made my first request. Back in time at I had Audi etron 55. Then I changed car to Audi Q4 50 and now i wait for an Audi Q8 etron. My other car charing is Tesla, and somethimes an Jaguar and one Leaf coming by on visit.
And still, nothing happens at easee.
I have three easee stations. And i now a lot of new cars support plug and play charging. So what is happing - easee? Wasn't my two year old idea good enough?