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Configure max. electrical power depending on time

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Schmalli

Hello,
we would like to configure the electric power of our Easee Home depending on the time.
Like daytime 06:00 - 24:00 --> 3,7kWh and at night 0:00 - 06:00 -->11kW.
Is that possible?

Regards Stefan

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Sven Witterstein

I had a mysterious 15A limit active and informed support. Somehow it is removed and now the Amp Limiting per time schedule is possible, yet cumbersome because I have two sensible values: 12A=2,4 kW 1phase-AC and 9A = 5.4 kW 3AC, but phase setting is not possible in the time schedule. And the 1%-Steps are not really sensible (like 100 values to scroll...). It is "somehow" usable now but not thought through; from the user-perspective kW-Limits with Easee doing the math in the background would make more sense. And the command to "put 20 kWh within the next 3 hours" into the battery is still missing...


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Sven Witterstein

Where exactly is this feature? For now, I see only the flash that shows the Amps and the imposed limitations and a link to the already existent static site setting "max current".
I see neither a configurable schedule per Box or per Circuit time-based nor my request that similar to a "price" or "litre" limitation on a gas station I can state "in the next x hours put y kWh into the battery".
The later is even planned: feedback.easee.com/b/ideas/limit-charging-amount-to-x-kwh-or-y-min/


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Alek Slater

You can add an amp limit to a charging period in the Schedule / Week plan page.


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Joakim

Having the ability to set two different periods with amp *limit* would better reflect the double peaks in spot prices (mornings and evenings). (If outside of scheduled periods = allow charging at full power)


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Alek Slater

Status changed to: Implemented & Released

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Alek Slater

Released as part of version 1.4.6 of the app.


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Ramiro Menghini

Hey Alek, thanks for this wonderful feature. We use it for 30 parkingspaces. Would it be possible to add a third time frame per day? It would make a huge difference to us if you could find the time to add this option. Currently only two time frames are possible per day. Please let me know if you need more information…


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Alek Slater

Do you have the same 2 periods every day of the week?

If so we might be able to make it happen. But if it’s 3 periods per day that are different every day, I’ll have to check. There was a reason why we limited it to max 2.


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Andi

When can you plan with this function? I bought this super charging robot and unfortunately you don't have this function in the app. It would be helpful if you could set the charging current in the app with a slider. Especially with PV systems with Electricity storage (Battery)


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Caroline Vorpenes

Status changed to: Planned

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Caroline Vorpenes

Merged with: Begrensing av effekt 07:00 til 22:00 Nye strøm tariffer

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Geir Siqveland Steffensen

Hei, Nå som ny nettleie reform innføres fra 2022 vil det være økonomisk å kunne programmere lader til ladestøm begrenset i tiden mellom 07:00 og 22:00 til en verdi og 22:00-07:00 til en annen verdi siden priser da er rimeligere og man helst bør unngå høy belastning www.nettavisen.no/okonomi/na-endres-nettleien-din-fullstendig-var-obs-pa-denne-fallgruven/s/12-95-3424206135


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Caroline Vorpenes

Merged with: Control the maximal charging current

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Markus Doehler

I want to Change from 25A fuse to 16A fuse. Because the government will only accept 11KW in Homes to get the state funding.
It would be nice to control the charging current. A place in the Config to configure the maximal charging current.


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Caroline Vorpenes

Merged with: Scheduled current limitation

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PaNi

Instead of today's current limitation setting and charge timer, I would like to combine these two settings into a more advanced "Maximum current schedule".
A typical user needs to charge with maximum current in the afternoon when the car returns home with drained battery to get as much juice as possible before leaving for the evening activity. During the night hours on the other hand there is plenty of time to charge even with limited current.
If it was possible to set the maximum current PER HOUR, this could be achieved. In my example above the user would schedule maximum current between 15:00 and 18:00, zero current between 18:00 and 00:00, and perhaps 70% between 00:00 and 06:00.


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Eivind S

Ønsker kunne justere maks effekt i et Charge-anlegg i kW for å kunne styre hvilket trinn i nettleien vi må betale. Helst uten ekstrautstyr som Equalizer.
Har 3 fas IT.


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Caroline Vorpenes

Merged with: Effektbegrensing i kW

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Caroline Vorpenes

Merged with: Limit charge speed to house hourly consumption

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Axel Norman

In Norway, you now pay a grid fee based on the hour with the highest average consumption. So if lets say you arrive at your cabin and turn on 5kw heating, sauna 6kw, cooking 2kw and then you charge your vehicle at 11kw. Then this one hour with average consumption of 24kw would drive your grid costs sky high. The requested feature is therefor that easse home charger should be able to set max charge speed depending on day and time. At night it could go full speed , but limited speeds from e.g 15-23. Even better would be to improve the integration with devices such as tibber pulse which have instantanious energy meetering for the whole house. Charge speed could then be reduced if hourly consumption is approaching lets say 10kwh


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Caroline Vorpenes

Merged with: Individual charging current setting

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Ivers

Problem to solve: When charging over night it is not necessary to charge with max charging current/power. From januar 2022 low power demand will be cheaper in Norway (effektbasert nettleie). It should therefore be possible to reduce charging current on each of the chargers in a facility/site to avoid unnecessary high power (kW) consumption.


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Maik Gretenkord

I need the app setting to adjust the current. For example the solar cells provide max power. In this case I’d like to adjust with the app the max power. If the solar cells provide for example 3kw. I’d like to reduce the max. Current from 16A to 6A.
I know it is possible through the basic settings. But it is to complicated. To have an adjustable current setting in the app where is could also schedule a time slot would be very helpful and would make the wallbox much more efficient.


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Caroline Vorpenes

Merged with: Adjustable current setting with the APP

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Caroline Vorpenes

Merged with: Enable setting a schedule for charging current

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Viktor Losciale

My problem is that with a 25A limit in my household, the electricity may overload when both charging, cooking, running laundry and dishwasher etc on certain hours. So just like enabling users to set which times the charging is active, I should be able to set a lower ampere charging current on certain hours (ie day time), and higher on certain hours (ie nights).

In my case I would set 6-8A between 7-22 and 16A between 22-07


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Sven Witterstein

Daily, i would want to Charge about 10 kWh at a rate of about 6 kW / 2hrs / 3ac 8A
But before a longer trip i would want to go up to Max. Limit of presently 11kw (prepared for 22 but Regulatory Not possible and car Not capable)
So far i learn there is only fiddling with the setup everytime
A simple Button solider would be helpful in the App. For now, i can Do this in the car setting, but that is supoptimal


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Caroline Vorpenes

Merged with: Easy Selection of Max. Power per charge

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Tobias

It would be great if there was an fast and easy way to change between available Ampere settings. If there could be a button on the first page in the app to change between high and low power charging. Normally I use low power like 9A (to save battery health) but some times I need a faster charge and changes to 16A.


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Caroline Vorpenes

Merged with: Button for swapping between diffrent Amp settings

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Caroline Vorpenes

Merged with: Adjusting the charge current/speed from the App

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Leo Tiedt

I bought your honestly great charger because I thought that you could simply adjust the charging current/speed from the app.
Sadly that’s not the case yet...
It would be great if you could implement a simple slider to adjust the charging AMPs / Kw‘s.

Keep on that great work 🤙🏼


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Andi

I completely agree with them. I hope that this function will also be available soon. That's why I bought this loading robot. Greetings from Germany


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Hilde Fagersand

Yes please!


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Matthieu PLASTRE

I also bought this Wallbox to be able to adjust the charging current easily, the intention being to use as much Photovoltaik kWh as possible. I am disappointed by the Easee app. To adjust the charging current I have to switch to the Easee Installer App which is very annoying. I would like to change the charging current easily from the Easee app. Would it be different if I were registered as site owner?


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Alek Slater

The installers app is intended to be used by electricians and not by most people. We have opened up for admins to be able to change it also in the users app, but have faced complaints, so its been limited to owner's to be on the safe side. So hard to know what to do. But yes, Owners of sites can change the site's or circuit's charging current setting.

I'm not sure I understand why you are not the site owner, is this an Easee Charge installation or Easee Home?

Putting this aside though, the changing of the charging currents is a Config or Setting for the Charger, which means its not something that's meant to be used or changed frequently.

We have thought of enabling users to change the charger's dynamic current, but its hard to see how we can add that without confusing most people (who don't have solar).

But, just trying to understand the usecase here, you would rather manually control this limit on a per charger basis based on on Solar ? Wouldn't it make more sense and be easier if this was an automatic adjustment?


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STR

Yes it would much more easier doing it automatically, but most solutions which are supported are not convenient or expensive. And besides of the automatic control, I still do not know why it is not easily adjustable per charger in the user interface?
And it is not necessary in all cases to have an auto regulated systems.
Sure, I can set it as site owner in the site settings. But why only there?
Just one example and maybe you see that it is a valid use case. We have a 6,9kWp solar system. If sun is there I prefer to charge with a reduced A to use the solar system as good as possible. If sun is not shining, in the evening or when it is cloudy I would like to charge with full power because I need to pay for the current anyway. And sometimes it is sunny but I’m in hurry and need to charge with full power.
For these not fancy few use cases it is not required(!) to have it automatically. But only I can do this as site owner but not my wife. Why?
Do you not see this necessity? In most cases we simple talk about two different scenario, a fast and easy way to switch between to different current settings for a specific charger.
Why isn’t it possible to keep the site current to maximum 16A or 32A and to give a way to adjust the current from the running session?
Why? I do not get it.


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Alek Slater

Ive asked around to see if we can open up for admins to change these settings too, not just owners.

Yes we know and see the necessity, I was just asking for some clarifications from you that's all, so I can better understand. To see if it matches up with what we think.

You raise some excellent points and scenarios, I will use them as ammo in our next planning meetings :D


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Matthieu PLASTRE

I totally agree with STR. He summarized the issue with automatic smart charging softwares very well. After thinking that through I also came to the conclusion that I would prefer controlling the charging current on my own, depending on the current situation and not relying on a software that would break the charging process because a cloud comes across. Adjusting the charger dynamic current and not the site max current is fine for me. Actually I would prefer not changing the installation settings , just adjusting the current.
I am currently not owner of my site because my electrician registered himself as owner, I am trying to have him change it as I a Easee home on my private house.

This is maybe a subject for another chat but generally there are several issues in the German translation. Is it not possible to talk to an electrician and sort the strange translations out for the German users? Several terms are misleading and sometimes named different although they refer to the same item. In particular the max current settings are named in a strange way.
Best regards.


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STR

Ah. Thanks for the feedback. Cool to see that we are on the same page 😉 Enjoy the evening!


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Alek Slater

Yes I understand.

Your electrician can and should transfer the ownership of the site on completion of configuration, especially for Easee Home sites. He can do that via the Installer app, or the Easee Cloud portal.
Newly created sites will by default belong to the installer when they create them, and we encourage them to transfer when complete.

The max current setting translations are confusing in all languages to be fair, but we are going to update them shortly. This will become even more important when we expose more and more of the various limits, because they cannot all be called Max Charger or max charging current etc...

We love feedback!! :D So yeah, if you have something to add, feedback for translations can be added here:
form.asana.com/?k=6HDFY_1vGMNANne8gLedTw&d=1147779428535636


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Matthieu PLASTRE

Hi. My electrician gave my the ownership of my site. The invitation first didn't work but at the second attempt I did receive it. What is funny is that I not only became owner, I am also the new Installer, both items seem to be linked together.
Now, as a site owner, I can change the site settings in the Easee app which is good. However there is one simple option from the Easee Installer App that I can't find in the Easee app: this is the adjustment of the load robot charging current. In the Easee app there is only an adjustment for the entire site, not for the robot only. I don't understand why I can easily change the phase settings but not the charge current in the easee home page. I don't want to have to go into the settings to change the charge current.
Best regards


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Alek Slater

Awesome.
Yes I know about the installer/owner mixup thats shown in the Installer app. There's a workaround in the installer app code, that works around a bug in the API, when its fixed in the cloud, I can fix it in the app. (QA was testing the fixes for the cloud + app for that today actually :D)

The Max Charger Current is a setting thats only adjustable in the Installer app for the time being. As far as I know its used by German Electricians to set limitations so they can document that the charger conforms to a tax credit system thats in Germany.

So I don't know if that setting will or can make its way into the users app.

Its a setting or config, which is a parameter thats stored in the long term storage of the charger, and not something you should be changing too often.

If we ever did bring something into the Users app, it might be the dynamic charger current, a parameter thats only stored in the short term storage of the charger, so no wear and tear. The dynamic charger current is therefore designed to be changed more frequently. I've started a discussion to see if we can introduce this in the app somehow, but I think before we do that, we need to visualize the charger's limitations first, i.e. the main reason for why current is limited. (Because too many dials and buttons is appealing to people like you and me, the fact of the matter is, there's a lot of people who don't understand, and adding everything to the user interfaces without at least some thought might create a massive burden on our support staff.

Anyways I'll keep this task open, since we have around 20+ different discussions at Easee regarding things related to this.

(Also thanks so much for your feedback on german translations ! :D)


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Matthieu PLASTRE

Thanks for all your answers, nice to see that someone is reading our comments and working on it. One proposal from my side to avoid confusing other users: Why not locking the charger by default on the maximim charging current? Around the big "Pause" button on the app, we have the options to lock the cable, restrict the access or add a time program. The fourth button showing the current could be active and in the new window, the very first button should be a lock button to charge at max power (what most of users do I understand). For us using photovoltaik we could unlock and reduce the charging current manually. And of course a nice explanation to make sure everybody understands it.
Best Regards


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Andi

I completely agree with them. I
hope that this function will also
be available soon. That's why I
bought this loading robot.
Greetings from Germany


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Tobias Lindholm

Yes, much needed. Now I have to go in under settings to manually change current. So please add current option in the schedule function.


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Schmalli

To understand my idea:
we are 40 houses and my Wallbox is the first that will be installed. Even if it is the first wallbox I am not allowed to charge higher than 3,7kWh. With the higher charging current at night I want to get an compromise with our energy supply company. Low charging current at day where the other houses are consuming also and higher charging current at night when the consumption is much lower.


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Schmalli

Saw this after my post, sorry... We have a analog problem. We live in a terraced housing estate and the energy supply company says that we can use the wallbox with max. of 3.7kWh. Maybe we can discuss this, so that wecan charge 11kWh over the night. I think the problem persist in many apartment building also and the configurtation of that will help a lot.


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My2Ct

Idea for the App GUI:
- a slider upright on the front page for charging Power (min kW to max kW)
- another slider landscape for charging time on the front page (0- X min)


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Fabian Maack

I would love a „full power now!“-feature too.

I switched to 10a 1phase due to our solar system. Sometimes, i want to load fast. A button on the home site would be great!


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Wouter Kerkhof

Same in Belgium! When I’m in a hurry I want toi charge at 22kw, but when I park for the evening it can charge at the lowest possible setting required to get the battery to 80%


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Dirk Heumann

Even as Site Admin I cannot regulate the current from i.e. 6 A to 16 A (maximum set by Site Owner, which is correct, this should be the maximim only).
I thought everyone in the family could regulate it, because of each of the family member (even Site Users) at home should be able to choose the charge current! I want to change to a "volatile" electricity supplier, which charges hourly and where the tariffs are known a day in advance.
The "Site Owner" in Germany is the electrician, who is allowed to work on electric cables. He does not care of tariffs at home, he just set's the maximum current, which is possible or legally allowed.
The "Site Admin" is one person in the family (or a small company), who may also limit the current. He should be allowed to set the maximum current of some users or if the other users "Site Users" are allowed to further reduce the current.


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Wouter Kerkhof

Absolutely! I have 2 Easee Home on a 40A 3P fuse. I also have a car capable of 11kw charging and another of 22kw charging.
We have a capacity-tarif, so charging at 22kw cost (a lot) more. So normally I only want to charge at 11kw, but exceptionaly I want to charge at 22kw. It would be great if one could easily switch, and maybe also use it with schedules.


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Alek Slater

Good point, but as an alternative to this, you might be better off purchasing an Equalizer, so that it can more intelligently and dynamically sort this out for you.

You can read more about that here: easee.com/uk/accessories/equalizer/


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Viktor Losciale

Yes, that is probably the best solution, but it is currently only available with a RJ45 connection which is not standard in Sweden where I’m located.


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Alek Slater

We do have P1 Equalizers, i think EFuel in Sweden are selling them.


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Schmalli

An Equilizer will not solve our problem. We are 40 houses with a seperate electricity meter in each house. The maximum kWh cannot be calculated in a single house.


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Alek Slater

Not really the same kind of situation at all, but ill answer it the best i can (even though your situation really could do with its own issue / idea.

I'm assuming in your setup, you have 40 houses, where all the chargers are wired up together?
(Because if not you could just set the Charging Current in Site Settings to a lower value.

If they are wired together, then your best bet is to set the Max Charger Current. We don't offer the ability to set this value for users at present, so you'll need to contact Support.

In version 1.3.3 of the Installer app, Electricians will be able to set this value for you during initial installation of the site.


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Schmalli

Hi Alek,
no we are 40 houses and my Wallbox is the first that will be installed. Even if it is the first wallbox I am not allowed to charge higher than 3,7kWh. With the higher charging current at night I want to get an compromise. Low charging current at day where the other houses are consuming also and higher charging current at night when the consumption is much lower.
Regards


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Michael Ortwein

Yes, a simple "kWh Timer" would be nice ...


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Jampe Uppgård

Buy a homey and use the easee app in there to make advanced flows to trigger all kinds of usefull stuff is one idea


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Sven Witterstein

Sorry, I do not quite understand. Is "homey" a different product? I just got my 2-point installation running, but I find it very cumbersome to fiddle with the max setting in the third level of the menu in the app every time. Actually, I figured out I would need at minimum three profiles which define ideally the max amps available per point for each hour of the day, such as "sunny, both cars present", "some clouds, BEV 3p only", "cloudy, PHEV 1p only" ... alternatively it would be nice instead of a start button to have a start slider because normally, I know if I want trickle or fast... Saying that on the german market, the Equalizer ist not available and actually "total fine tuning" is waste of time. I can "misuse" the car's limiting functions but that means on the road I want no limit, so for me a slider for a running charge (or when starting) would be way more intuitive... I am kind of disappointed and expected "smarter" SW than the current Easee app...

Finally, it would be cool to have an Alexa skill, like: hey Alexa, charge the car to 60% SOC in the next three hours...


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STR

I fully agree. This was a big disappointment.
@Alek Slater: You are right, this can be done hidden in the site settings but only IF YOU ARE Site Owner. But only one can be a site owner.
Besides of this fact, I do not understand why the amp limitation must be done on the site settings, in worst case this influences the amp for all chargers, right? Unnecessary.
If I have as indicated on the white page of the charger 16A or 32A max available but I would like to reduce the power specificly for this charging session to 10A, why isn´t it possible there, on the first site. This btw releases eventually 6A for other chargers because you do not limit the site itself. The referenced setting saves 6A for the house, which is not what we asked for.


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Alek Slater

It may be unnecessary for you, but there are many situations where its actually more useful to control this on a site / circuit level. Its besides the point though, I only brought that setting up because its one of many ways to adjust it.

We have other limitations that can be applied on a charger specific level as well, but this is something we plan on opening up in the user interface of the app gradually. The main problem is that if we expose all the many limits that can be applied to the chargers on the site , circuit and charger level, it will be way too confusing for most people to be of any use to anyone.

So to keep it short, there are ways to do what you want today, but its done via APIs, home automation systems and third party operators.
And we will continue to expose more and more features and capabilities of our systems in all our front ends as fast as we can, whilst keeping things Easee.


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STR

This was one reason why I decided to buy this box. I understood the smart description of this box a bit different. Unfortunately this feature is hidden in the side area of the app and can be used only as Site Owner. Really poor, especially if you would like to toogle between fast charging and slow charging e.g. when the box is set as 22kw box


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Jampe Uppgård

One swipe down. Site settings. Click max amp. Edit change save done. I don't see a point of having a button the changes the amps.ost ppl never touch that after it's set or they have a equalizer and/or use smart charging.

You could set it up with home automation either Hass or homey and control it from there


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STR

I appreciate every feedback and thanks to spend time to write one. But I kindly ask to read our feedback carefully before sharing an opinion which does not match or defang our request.
1 - the described way is much longer than you described. It has 6 steps to task complete. Swipe, site setting, current, edit, set the value and store. Do you think this is customer friendly?
2 - settings applies to all boxes because it is a site setting. Unnecessary if I would like to charge slow.
3 - setting can be done only if you are site admin. So the user itself cannot decide how fast the car should charge.
4 - connecting to Smart Home is not that easy as it is always described + this was not the primary request of this idea.


Even if you cannot believe it, some people tries to care about the cars battery or some adjust the charging speed to the PV surplus.

If it is not that important why is it located an non-adjustable button on the charging page, besides 3 buttons which are useable and which indicates a button.

So instead of claiming and downprio this request from your side, it is better to read the text carefully and think about why a customer is spending time to write a suggestion.

STR


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Alek Slater

If you open the Power Settings for your Site, you can adjust the max circuit current, which should achieve what yer trying to do here. That's what that option is for. You can also adjust it separately, to have a different level when the charger is in offline mode.